Pence tells Muir of first conversation with Trump after riot: ‘I said I was angry’

Former Vice President Mike Pence spoke in an exclusive interview with ABC’s World News Tonight host David Muir about his first post-January 6 conversation with former President Donald Trump, which came five days after the riot.

“You walk down the narrow hallway you know well, from the vice president’s office to the oval to the small dining room… And what does the president say to you?” asked Muir Pence.

“Well, he immediately asked about Karen and Charlotte. He said he just found out they were at the Capitol that day,” Pence said of his wife and daughter.

“Five days later?” Muir squeezed.

“I told him it was us […] fine. And then he asked, ‘Were you scared?’ I said, ‘No, I was angry.’ We had our disagreements, and I told him that seeing these people looting the Capitol made me angry. And I felt real remorse from the President,” Pence said.

PHOTO: Former Vice President Mike Pence is interviewed by ABC News' David Muir.

Former Vice President Mike Pence is interviewed by ABC News’ David Muir.

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Muir asked if Trump had apologized for putting her life in danger.

“Not in so many words, but in feeling — he did, David … If you get my meaning. I felt the President was genuinely saddened by what had happened and he expressed it,” the former Vice President said

When asked by Muir, “How so,” Pence replied, “Well, by […] At one point I think he just said, in a much lower voice than ever, “What if we hadn’t had the rally?” He said, ‘It’s like this – it’s so bad to end up like this.’”

In an exclusive interview at the former vice president’s Indiana home, Muir Pence also pressed on whether Trump should ever be back in the White House, whether Pence will run for president, whether Trump hurt Republicans in the midterm elections, and what Pence was getting out of the authorities He said secret documents were stolen from the White House.

Pence was overseeing Congress’ certification of the 2020 Electoral College results on Jan. 6, 2021, when a large crowd, at Trump’s urging, marched to the Capitol and then overran security and vandalized the building, sending Pence and congressional lawmakers into lockdown .

Trump, who has insisted he had done nothing wrong, eventually urged the rioters to leave, but only after berating Pence for not blocking the certification – which Pence noted he could not legally do so – and baseless conspiracy theories about widespread fraud in 2020 repeated election.

ABC News’ Tal Axelrod and Adam Carlson contributed to this report.


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